WOW!!!

[William (Bill) M. Greene]

The other day I met a man I hadn’t seen since the late 80’s. He was one of those Siddhi’s I had gotten out of the psych center and into one of the programs I had developed which gave him the chance to get off them stupid psychiatric drugs they plied him with after they labeled his condition of Self-Induced Depersonalization Syndrome.

Anyway, in talking with him, I was kinda whining pissing and moaning about thinking I didn’t have it in me to do this and that and how I sometimes, especially when I got around doctors, actually felt like maybe I only had a few good years at most left, and how I was actually feeling like I was being cheated because there is so much to know, and for example, I still don’t even know the function of the low level gamma radiation produced by advanced meditators, blah blah blah.

And so after a time listening to me whine piss and moan for a while, he says ya know you always was the stupidest Siddhi I ever met (he always called me Siddhi no matter how often I would correct him by saying no Christian), but in the first place we’re all getting older, and in the second place you learned long before I met you how to elicit the Vertex-Sharp Waves in the temporal lobe with an EEG reading of 0.80 or greater, so you of all people should know it’s not a question about the function of the low level gamma radiation but about what’s happening to matter as you elicit those Vertex-Sharp Waves, which is the cause of the low level gamma radiation.

After that we sat around BSing for quite some time before I finally understood what he had said. In other words, a catharsis, that is a discharge of psychic energy not associated with the normal waking states of consciousness, or Vertex-Sharp Waves in the temporal lobe with an EEG reading of 0.80 or greater, is actually a canceling of matter with anti-matter resulting in the low level gamma radiation. WOW!!!

Blessings,
Bill

[William (Bill) M. Greene]

Actually, you guessed right as far as I go, but as far as the statement that "Real Siddhis didn't talk about their siddhis", well, when Elias started his forum one of the most active members was Andy who used a lot of different forum names, including Siddhartha and Sid (as short for Siddhi), and what I'm saying is they do talk (a lot!!!).

As far as the different Siddhis who would call me Siddhi goes, I always told the NO I am Christian.

The background on the subject is that after the Friars of Atonement trained me in the practice of the three forms of meditation contained within the Lords Prayer ((1) mindful meditation, (2) mantra meditation, (3) analysis of the origins of thoughts and behaviors and their discharge relative to the experience of a catharsis or spiritual experience), and this form of praying the Our Father resulted in my born again experience wherein-by I was Judged according to the Word (Revelation 2:1-7), I also sought training in a variety of forms of meditation including TM.

At the time, my father had given me the family home, and I rented out bedrooms to pay the utilities and for my food and gas, etc., so I didn’t work at all for money and all of my work in prisons and jails was volunteer work. Later on when I did things like forming the corporation and writing the start-up grants for what is now the largest upstate Medicaid provider agency for drug and alcohol offenders in the state of New York, I only took a salary which, for the most part, only covered my expenses to get the job done. And so, the way things were, money was tight enough that I really didn’t want to pay the extra fee to be called Siddhi, and my refusal to fork out the bucks for a change in title also kinda backfired on me when MIU refused to accept my application into their programs of study. Nevertheless, when I was a participant in a few of the research projects, the researchers counted me as an advanced meditator or siddhi, and after that some people would constantly use the term even though they knew I would respond time and time again No Christian.

Blessings,
Bill

[William (Bill) M. Greene]

(laugh) so you think that being honest about what you think, simply because you perceive it as obnoxious and/or in a tone of general hot-headedness, is a problem. (laugh), well its not.

Much of what I put out there offends some. And when it does, it is because the person reading what I write is forced to deal, one way or another, with something they might not otherwise have an opportunity to look at.

The only thing I think is important and meaningful about those reactions you perceive it as obnoxious and/or in a tone of general hot-headedness, is that your response has Never been one, at least as far as I’ve seen, to actually demean another in such a way that the person would have grounds to sue you or the person owing the forum in which your comments were/are published. And, in case you didn’t know it, that’s rare and therefore says much about your character.

Enough with the apple polishing though. How bout that low-level gamma radiation!!!

I mean, even without an EEG machine hooked up to record those Vertex-Sharp Waves, this emission of the low level gamma radiation is not only an entirely new and different way a therapist can measure whether or not his/her client is experiencing a psychoanalytic “catharsis” but in terms of what’s happening to matter, that is an actual canceling of matter with anti-matter resulting, there is finally the theoretical foundation for the principle by which religious functions are hypothesized to operate!!!

That is, whether one calls that principle by which religious functions are hypothesized to operate (1) the quantum theory as the scientific equivalent of the Zen Effect, and the biophysiological mechanics of microscopic interactions resulting in long-range biophysics of consciousness and its function in the cooperative behavior of living systems, (2) the Biblical Doctrine of Retribution from the Judeo-Christian traditions, (3) the Vedic application of quantum theory as the Maharishi Effect, (4) the application of this underlying theory by Jewish Redemptionists, and/or (5) Jesus by Christian Redemptionists, the point is, scientifically, we are actually talking about a canceling of matter with anti-matter resulting in the low level gamma radiation. WOW!!!

Blessings,
Bill

[henri]

To me it sounds it's not about gaining more knowledge on the rational level, so you can skip most of the authors you've mentioned above.
It's a sign of hightened awareness that can occure after a period of deep abstract thinking, a bit like jnana-yoga the natural and unchoosen way. You are aware about the need for more love and caring, so that's fine. Right now you need practical tools, practical spiritual tools, tools which give you experience on a higher level than the rational and psychic ones.
I would recommend the Suddarshan Kriya technique of the Art of Living. It's a technique that's benefit lots of people from different cultures and religions, and opens up your heart.
A fine, gentle and easy technique which cleanes your system on all levels.

[henri]

Well, your doubtfullness about mass movements I can understand!
I had the luck to meet Sri Sri in the early nineties and the funny thing about it was that it happened in Amsterdam, after traveling for more than three years in India!
I was allergic to anything that had to do with the guru stuff and was diving into everything I could find on esoterics and Buddhisme. The reason I joined the Satsang in Amsterdam was mainly to have a good laugh to have a good start for a night out in the City with friends. Well, it became a night long discussion with my friends about a little man from Bangalore who really appeared to be an embodyment of love...
My curiousity let me join the kriya course (4 students) and many more afterwards, including stays in India and Germany at the ashrams, with just a few people around me. I have travelled all over India with him after his own invitation, which became the most incredible experience of a life-time. For weeks I looked for something I could lay my hands on, a proof that would tell me he's just an ordinairy man. But I just couldn't find anything! Belief me when I say I understand doubtfullness!!
Whenever I would tell a psychiatrist about my experiences with Sri Sri, he would certainly throw me in a clinic (laugh).
So, you do your best your way! What's the freedom anyway... It goes like it goes!

[William (Bill) M. Greene]

As Maslow explained, looking at the subject of consciousness requires the use of a bell-curve, with pathology at the far left, normalcy which is defined as the psychopathology of the average in the middle, and wellness which includes all of the perceptions of ALL pathologies as well as that of normalcy and more represented by the far right part of the bell-curve.

My own brother died because he sought his answers from traditional psychology and medicine rather than seeking out someone who specializes in the problems we face as a result of “Excessive Elicitation of the Relaxation Response”, so I can not emphasize too strongly the need to seek out and acquire an adequate support system, and if you happen to be in the North-West Diane Zimberoff, MFCC & David Hartman, MSW, who run the Heart-Centered Therapies Association are at the top of my list for helping others overcome culture-bound definitions of normality and the identification of techniques for the higher ranges of consciousness.

Beyond that, my best attempt at explaining the problems that we, as practioners of the contemplative techniques, experience was put forth like this:

Psychosynthesis, developed by the Italian psychiatrist Roberto Assagioli (1965, 1973), a colleague of Freud and Jung (cf., McGuire, 1974, 241), is one of the many approaches out there which seeks not only an analysis of the psyche, but a "Synthesis of the Psyche." Of course, a true "Synthesis of the Psyche" begins by including the trauma of the lower unconscious explored by the more traditional psychoanalysis to assist the individual to achieve the category of self-actualization that Maslow (1971) defined as a "non-transcending self-actualizer" (i.e., "more essentially practical, realistic … ‘doers’ rather than meditators or contemplators" (p. 281)), but more than that, it must also include the transpersonal experiencing of the higher unconscious (the realm studied by humanistic and transpersonal psychology), for while it is understood that non-transcending self-actualizer's achieve a level of consciousness that is typically associated with the few to be considered psychologically healthy (i.e., a non-transcending self-actualizer's are typically understood to have successfully addressed and integrated their lower unconscious), and while there is certainly no putdown in identifying someone as a non-transcending self-actualizer, because, after all, very few even achieve this level in the self-actualization process, it is the transcending self-actualizer, who is traditionally understood to have undergone a further step in the growth process by overcoming the barriers (i.e., anger and pain which can include the collective unconscious, transpersonal, shamanic, spiritual) to access the higher unconscious and therefore function in terms of "Being" which Maslow (1970) expressed as including "feelings of limitless horizons opening up to the vision, the feeling of being. Simultaneously more powerful and also more helpless than one ever was before, the feeling of great ecstasy and wonder and awe, the loss of placing in time and space" (p. 164) (Zimberoff & Hartman, 1999).

As a path fraught with problems, transcending self-actualizer's are typically faced with problems like Anhedonia (James, 1901-1902), Self-Induced Depersonalization Syndrome (Kennedy, 1976), and Relaxation Anxiety Disorders (Heide & Borkovec, 1984)--(resulting in grand-mal seizure activity, and more), but in cases whereby the individual actually begins to identify with these beneficial "peak" or "mystical" experiences (Maslow, 1968, 1971) it is said that there also exists the potential for the individual to actually treasure them so highly that the individual is led to identify with the experience of the higher unconscious alone in terms of who we really are, and when this happens the person is said to be suffering from a type of personality disorder called Transpersonal Identity Disorder (TID), such that transpersonal identification (Firman & Gila, 2002) may also be considered as a negative outcome for an individual who is found to be considering their higher unconscious apart from the personal conscious and lower unconscious.

Of course, most therapists will never have to worry about their clients experiencing Transpersonal Identity Disorder (TID) because most therapists have no idea how to assist the client to come under the influence of the Pleasure Principle:

"The dominating tendency of mental life, and perhaps of nervous life in general, is the effort to reduce, to keep constant or to remove internal tension due to stimuli (the 'Nirvana principle' to borrow a term from Barbara Low [1920, 73]) - a tendency which finds expression in the pleasure principle" (Freud, 1920, pp. 49-50), emphasis/underline added).

And, without the Pleasure Principle there is no actual experience of a Catharsis (or discharge of psychic energies not thought to be available from within the realms of normal consciousness), that is, unless they happen to stumble on to the process via the Medical Model which Dr. Herbert Benson (1975; 1982) called the Relaxation Response:

“IN THE Western world today, there is a growing interest in nonpharmacological, self-induced, altered states of consciousness because of their alleged benefits of better mental and physical health and improved ability to deal with tension and stress. During the experience of one of these states, individuals claim to have feelings of increased creativity, of infinity, and of immortality; they even have an evangelistic sense of mission, and report that mental and physical suffering vanish (Dean). Subjective and objective data exists which supports the hypothesis that an integrated central nervous system reaction, the “relaxation response,” underlies this altered state of consciousness. Physicians should be knowledgeable of the physiological changes and possible health benefits of the relaxation response” (Benson, H., Beary, J.F., & Carol, M.P. (1974, February). The Relaxation Response. Psychiatry. Abstract, p. 37).

So the experience of the true catharsis, as well as the problems that go along with actually identifying with these beneficial "peak" or "mystical" experiences is rarely reported, let alone as something apart from a "synthesis of the Psyche." Nevertheless, clients experiencing Transpersonal Identity Disorder (TID) are described in terms of their attitudes, beliefs and behaviors which are said to be based on this strong valuation and even idealization of the higher self apart from their personal conscious self and lower unconscious, whereby the split in the individual’s consciousness has developed over time, into a coherent personality which is founded on the assumption that it this higher level of experience which is the most true, real, or ideal, coupled with a tendency to dismiss other, more mundane, levels of experience as inferior or illusory.

Now just incase all of this stuff about Transpersonal Identity Disorder (TID) sounds like you or someone else you might know, please remember that a "true synthesis of the Psyche" is really only theoretically possible, and I, for one, claim that I failed to more fully integrate my higher unconscious with my personal conscious and unconscious, to such a degree that instead of being able to say "OK God we are going to do this today" and having a full command of all the elements of my higher unconsciousness whereby I have full authority over the other aspects of my higher unconscious such as Angels, I am left with having to say "Please God" and being subject to the will of these other aspects of my higher unconscious.

Moreover, for anybody who belongs to the average class of people which Maslow defined as normal where "normal means the psychopathology or diseased state of the average person" or who otherwise has never even experienced the fact that they are actually a composite of their higher unconscious and personal conscious and unconscious I guess none of this would mean very much, but the truth is that even though Kohn (1984)indicated that when self-actualization is defined in this way it would necessarily "involve the integration of all mental functions of the individual" (p. 255), and researchers like Brown and Engler (1980) have been able to avoid operationally defined measurement difficulties by assessing the aforementioned process using the Rorschach test of the full, productive response to the world which in its highest form is referred to by Eastern contemplative traditions as the 4th level of enlightenment, a "true synthesis of the Psyche" is really only theoretically possible, and it is the actual process of "seeking" this experience of "true synthesis of the Psyche" which is the fundamental progressive experience in terms of what it is meant to be a Buddhist and a Christian as well:

11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death… 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it… 26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27'He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery'— just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

And, just in case all of this stuff about Transpersonal Identity Disorder (TID) sounds like something that can be totally fixed by a specialized therapist, please be aware that as far as I know, to date, Nobody, absolutely Nobody, has ever achieved this condition of perfection, whereby their consciousness might be defined in terms of a “perfect or true synthesis of the Psyche”, so the truth is the best a specialized therapist can do is to assist the individual in the process of personality integration, which is a progressive experience, with an overall goal of increased functionality, and as far as the rest of us, well it seems to me that the best any of us can do is to try to explain to others the many ways in which we ourselves have failed in terms of this process of overcoming.

Blessings,
Bill

REFERENCES:

Assagioli, R. (1965). Psychosynthesis: A manual of principles and techniques. New York

Assagioli, R. (1973). The act of will. New York: Penguin Books.

Benson, H. (1975). The relaxation response. New York: William Morrow.

Benson, H. (1982). The relaxation response: history, physiological basis and clinical usefulness. Acta Medica Scandivics. Supplementum, 660, 231--237.

Benson, H., Beary, J.F., & Carol, M.P. (1974). The relaxation response. Psychiatry, 37, 37-46.

Biblical Quote is from the Biblegateway.com

Brown, D.P., & Engler, J. (1980). The stages of mindfulness meditation: a validation study. The Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, 12 (2), 143-192.

Firman, J., & Gila, A. (2002). Psychosynthesis: A psychology of the spirit. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press.

Freud, S. (1920). James Strachey (ed.). Beyond the pleasure principle. New York: W.W. Norton & Company.

Heide, F. J., & Borkovec, T. D. (1984). Relaxation induced anxiety: Mechanism and theoretical implications. Behaviour Research and Therapy (Oxford), 22, 1–12.

Kennedy, R.D. (1976). Self-induced depersonalization syndrome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 133, 1326-1328.

Kohn, G.F. (1984). Toward a model for spirituality and alcoholism. Journal of Religion and Health, 23 (3), 250-259.

James, W. (1901-1902). The Varieties of Religious Experience. Delivered at Edinburgh, Psychologie des sentiments, 54.

Maslow, A. (1968). Toward a Psychology of Being, second edition. Princeton, NJ: Van Nostrand.

Maslow, A. (1970). Motivation and personality (rev. ed.). New York: Harper & Row., p. 164.).

Maslow, A. (1971). The Farther Reaches of Human Nature. New York: Viking Press.

McGuire, W. (Ed.). (1974). The Freud/Jung letters (Vol. XCIV). Princeton, N.J.: Princeton, University Press.

Zimberoff, D. & Hartman, D. (1999). Breathwork: Exploring the Frontier of “Being” and “Doing”. Journal of Heart-Centered Therapies, Vol. 2, No. 2, @ 1999 Heart-Centered Therapies Association.

Blessings,
Bill

[henri]

There are three types of perfection: in thinking, in speaking and in doing. The last one nevertheless not a 100% in this world due to his nature, which is a dualistic one.

[William (Bill) M. Greene]

As I stated in http://lightmind.com/library/wmg/wgreene-02.html, which was re-typed and uploaded to Elias for posting by my daughter, Brown, D.P., & Engler, J. (1980). The stages of mindfulness meditation: a validation study. The Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, 12 (2), 143-192, offers much:

The need to assess periods of dysfunctionality continues, however the ability to accurately assess this level of consciousness is presented in one study by Brown and Engler (1980), which avoided operationally defined measurement difficulties by assessing the aforementioned process using the Rorschach test. In their assessment of the full, productive response to the world which in its highest form is referred to by Eastern contemplative traditions as the 4th level of enlightenment, they were able to show that, paradoxically in relation too and at the same time as the generalization effect, there is a continuing tendency to generate formulations or core ideas about the nature of reality. Essentially this would infer that such core ideas are similar to the expectations imposed by and in respect to both right and left hemispheric functioning, but it is the symmetry between the two hemispheres or whole brain function, 'neural net,' which allows for critical differences in the perception of reality: For example, the individuals who were assessed to be fully enlightened, were able to attend to the generalization effect and at the same time attend to all the minute aspects of the reality imposed by the Rorschach test. Thus, this method appears to present as the best possible method for assessing the cognitive experience in which the individual perceives Being, that is, ultimate reality.

And, as a closing statement of that Masters Paper, I said this:

Another rational approach to the application and testing of the theory of self-actualization would come from the field or neural science. For example, the psychotherapeutic process must also be understood as an extension of the physiological mechanisms of bodily functions and behaviors. That is, as the limbic system becomes more integrated, the higher centers of the brain become more effective. This effect whereby the higher centers are conditionally functioning appears to be a result of an increase of hypothalamic peptides. As such, when there is no organic damage, the higher centers which permit actions to be guided by plans and strategy are entirely dependent upon the level of integration of the limbic system (Kandel & Schwartz, 1985, pp. 608-634). Hence, the psychotherapeutic process may result in a state whereby conscious experience itself becomes less of a stress related phenomena. In such cases, this must also be supposed to result in a consciousness that is an expression of the composite or 'neural net' of brain function, rather than the stress induced split experience when consciousness is predominantly a right or left hemispheric function. Thus, when discussing the right- and left-hemispheric functions of the brain as independent in their function, we are actually indirectly discussing a group of symptoms related to the failure in integration of the limbic system. Under these conditions, physiological evidence comparing the split-brain function of normal individuals versus whole-brain function resulting from the cognitive enhancement techniques may be more readily accepted by a great many of those in academic environments. It is, therefore, imperative that social scientists with a background in neural science develop a body or literature connecting the hypothalamic peptides with the actualization process.

Also, the major problem that people make when they try to understand the subject of Satan is there is not a Satan per se, but rather it is that there were three tribes, the Tribe of Adam, the Sumerian Tribe and the Satanas.

The Satanas convinced the Tribe to give up their second place God ("Elohim" or Jesus) of their Trinity such that the second place god of the Sumerian Tribe, and when they did that the various dimensions of reality which are represented by M-Theory became differentiated such that Decay of Matter and Death entered the world, such that Satan is the word given to denote the “adversary”. The way I learned about this subject is explained herewith:

For the next few years, I also had experiences of speaking and interpreting in tongues, and although I was aware that the experience was all in gibberish and lasted less than a second, it was like a conversation in English lasting of many hours. And at this time, I am reminded that during one of these very exciting experiences, I was taught In The Spirit of the battle of the Tribe of Adam against the race/species of giants mentioned in the Book of geneses 6:4(a) in which the Tribe of Adam actually carried the bones of Adam into their war which rid the world of the entire race of giants, and much much more. For example, I am also reminded here of one time when I felt a bit confused about the fact that I was actually able to see Jesus in the midst of group meditation/centered prayer and knew that what I was witnessing was that of Jesus binding Satan but could never actually see Satan, so I started talking to God asking that He help me understand this. I mean I didn’t really want to see Satan, but it was a bit confusing that I could see what I knew to be Jesus binding Satan and be so assured that that was what I was witnessing and still not see Satan. So after I took my question to God, I found myself taken to a cave wherein there was a library of very old rocks with pictures scrolled all over them, but to me everything was in English, and then the Angel placed one of the tablets down in front of me and what it said was that there was a time when the Tribe of Adam had Jesus as there number two God, but a neighboring tribe had a different number two god, and the third tribe, the Satanas, convinced the Tribe of Adam to give up Jesus for the number two god of the other tribe, after which the Tribe of Adam lost the right to paradise, death entered the world, and forever more the adversary (which could be opposing thoughts, deeds, or persons) was to be known as Satan. Obviously, this is quite a different version of the fall of man than exists in the Bible, and for that matter anything I am aware of, but the experience was so powerful that I find my answer in it even to this day.

As an additional note, I call the additional step of confirming or validating Innate Knowledge that of Innate Learning, and in this context I found that in fact the word Devil is Greek, and Satan is Hebrew, and Greek only by adoption, and that as a Hebrew word, Satan is a mere Hebrew word, signifying “adversary," “enemy,” or “accuser.” Obviously, it does not in itself import the evil being which many seek to represent it to mean, but rather the word Satan must be viewed in terms of how translators have either used the word or translated the word to that of “adversary” in the Hebrew Bible:

Examples of Translations of Satan to Adversary: "…Make the man return, that he may go back to his place where you have appointed him, and let him not go down with us to battle, lest in the battle he become an adversary (Satan) to us…" (I Samuel 29:4).

" David said, "What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah, that you should this day be adversaries (Satans) to me?” (II Samuel 19:22a).

"But now Yahweh my God has given me rest on every side. There is neither adversary (Satan), nor evil occurrence." (I Kings 5:4).

"Yahweh raised up an adversary (Satan) to Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom." (I Kings 11:14).

" God raised up another adversary (Satan) to him, Rezon the son of Eliada, who had fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah.” (I Kings 11:23).

“He was an adversary (Satan) to Israel all the days of Solomon, besides the mischief that Hadad did : and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria" (I Kings 11:25).
In these cases, the translators have translated the word, and by this means have fenced off the notion of diabolical interference in the matters recorded, which would certainly have sprung up if the word had been "Satan" instead of adversary. In other cases, however, they have not translated the word, but simply transferred it in its Hebrew form, unaltered, to the English version, thus mystifying the idea of the original, and giving countenance to the popular Satanic theory, and the story goes on from there... such that, just as John is also the thorn in Paul's flesh, the messenger of Satan sent to buffet him, one could write book about the number of time the word Satan appears in the Bible in the same clever manner as the symbolic satire offered in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10:

7 So to keep me from being too elated by the surpassing greatness of the revelations, (1) a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 (ESV)

Blessings,
Bill