Testing the KW and Integralism Forum

[Elias]

This is an experiment...a transition from the Ken Wilber forum to a new space in which to discuss, debate, kick around, hash over, argue for and against, controvert, dispute, disagree, contest, concate, wrangle, bicker, haggle, cross swords, lock horns, confer, parley, compare notes, get together, talk turkey, rap, spew your views, soap-boxify, bat the breeze, deliberate, etc etc etc. Let's see what happens!

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[henri]

Well, I like new experiments! Especially when it's got to do with the integral approach.
I surely hope this 'new space' will contain more than just a 'philosophers space' because in my opinion a theory has to proof it's value in the field of practice. Next to talk about the food, men should experience the food. Hence I'm not a follower of Descartes who thinks he exists, but prefer to experience I'm existing.

In the past I had the chance to work for some NGO's and use integral tools in a practical way. That was a wonderful experience (!) and it was like a new dawn was rising...
A few years later I was put in a miserable situation where my wife run away with our daughter. Ever since I have not seen my little girl again due to terrible family-law in the Netherlands. Later I found out that's the situation in almost the entire first-world countries. I joined many organisations who are fighting for equal rights for mothers and fathers to find out that in Holland for more than 25 years nothing really has changed. Ever since I have looked upon life in an integral way, it's become a habbit. For over a year I've put everything that's got to do with family-law, child-rights, european-law and so on in a big integral washing machine and waited for something to rise out from it, something I could grab with both hands, something that would give way to my pain and anger, something practical that would give me the opportunity to work and fight.
Well, something came out..! Something so simple, it laid in front of my eyes for more than a year and I just didn't see it.
From that point I could breath again, love again, and work and fight again. Many things happened with promising results and I am reaching the point where it is all about. The point where finally this rotten system has to change.
Anyway, it's pionering. That's fun but sometimes also scaring... So I started looking for people who could give me back-up. People with knowledge from certain scientific fields and the law. People with their hearts on the right place and human values for their eyes. This started a month ago and up till now they've all refused! So networking is not my best I have to admit, but this is crazy! Specialists don't want anything to do with the law, because it may influence their careers. Lawyers exactly the same and above all they don.t want any change because it's their bread! Next to a dirty law in my country there's a dirty politics and also a dirty culture now a days. No independant souls and thinkers over here!!
So that's my hope for this new space here created. I hope to find back-up in a wide range of fields from people with open minds, open hearts and an open, independant way of thinking! No hidden agenda's so to speak.

greetings